Photography etiquette watermark copyright question

djnarush · 09-10-2006, 09:26 PM

Ok, Its your camera, you set the shutter speed, ISO, aperture..
you set up the shot, you just ask a friend to press the button for you.

whos picture is it?

im just wondering, i asked my friend to take a shot for me.. nothing important or anything..
i just wonder what the etiquette is?

importcrew · 09-10-2006, 09:34 PM

I, myself, would say that the picture belongs to the person who set all the settings,ect. That person did all the work. All the other person did was just press the button. Other people might see differently, but I say the picture belongs to the person who adjusted all the settings for the picture and what not.

Star_Fire · 09-10-2006, 09:36 PM

good question, i would say it is still yours. its as much his as it is Canon's or Nikon's

**Jackson** · 09-10-2006, 10:02 PM

did they have to move the camera around?

Like action wise?

GenXisT · 09-10-2006, 10:07 PM

Unless you're planning on selling the picture because it's that good, i wouldn't too concerned about the technical details such as that.

Why didn't you just take the picture yourself?

**Jackson** · 09-10-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GenXisT v2.0

Unless you're planning on selling the picture because it's that good, i wouldn't too concerned about the technical details such as that.

Why didn't you just take the picture yourself?

Im going to assume it has to do with the fact that he/something he is driving is in the picture maybe?

Arch · 09-10-2006, 10:36 PM

Your camera, your 'investment', your shot. Anyone could have pushed the button or your lazy ass could have used a self-timer.

Your shot.

djnarush · 09-10-2006, 11:07 PM

its not just a big deal, it was just someting that i was thinking about..
either way, this is the shot.. thats me holding the lighter

its just me stretching a tire at the track. im not going to sell the pic or anything, but, as i said, i just wondering how the "take this pic for me" worked

**Jackson** · 09-10-2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Arch

Your camera, your 'investment', your shot. Anyone could have pushed the button or your lazy ass could have used a self-timer.

Your shot.

While this is true, I think it also depends on the framing of the shot, the timing of it and such. If it was just a still object, then yes, all those settings and work would be yours.

However if it involves framing of the object (a moving object, car, person, etc) then I think that the person who actually took the shot is entitled to more of it than the camera owner.

ssal · 09-10-2006, 11:25 PM

i say this who ever took the actual shot it belongs to them. yes its ur camera but if he had to hold it and take a pic of it then its his. it was his discretion to take the pic so its his pic. you can set all the settings u want and tell him what to shoot and its your camera, but its still not your pic. its because he shot it. he clicked the shutter its his picture.

Star_Fire · 09-10-2006, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ssal

i say this who ever took the actual shot it belongs to them. yes its ur camera but if he had to hold it and take a pic of it then its his. it was his discretion to take the pic so its his pic. you can set all the settings u want and tell him what to shoot and its your camera, but its still not your pic. its because he shot it. he clicked the shutter its his picture.

true, but then even the idea to take the picture would be intellectual property of the person who who set it up.

you're right, that is a good question. i know in your situation it didnt matter, but i could see that being a sticky subject should anything have come out of the pic itself

djnarush · 09-11-2006, 12:00 AM

i mean, i told him to just stand there and hold the button down and the camera will keep taking pics...

im starting actually to sell pics. I dont belive anyone would want to buy THIS shot, but as i become a serious photographer, i need to know how the world works

Headsick · 09-11-2006, 12:20 AM

That is a good question indeed. For this particular situation, I'd have to say it's yours.

Star_Fire · 09-11-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by djnarush

i mean, i told him to just stand there and hold the button down and the camera will keep taking pics...

im starting actually to sell pics. I dont belive anyone would want to buy THIS shot, but as i become a serious photographer, i need to know how the world works

good point, if its a batch shot that ran, you can choose for dozens of shots

Arch · 09-11-2006, 12:53 AM

Unless you have a signed agreement stating otherwise, whomever owns the storage media owns the shot. You did not hire the button pusher or compensate him for his 'talent' in any way, right? Your media, your shot.

Wild Country · 09-11-2006, 03:25 AM

I say its yours. You did all the work.

Arch · 09-11-2006, 10:11 AM

If you help an old lady carry her groceries up 3 flights of stairs is the food yours when you reach the top?

Nope.

**Jackson** · 09-11-2006, 10:23 AM

if you borrow a gun from a friend for a hunting trip you both go on and kill a deer, is the deer more your friends than yours?

These types of questions/analogies aren't going to work in this type of situation, there are too many variables.

But for this particular situation I'd say yes, it would be his [dj] shot since it is a batch set of photos.

If the person had to frame and shoot just one photo and he happened to catch it at an opportune moment, then I think the photo would belong more to him than anyone else regardless of settings.

But since all he really did have to do was stand there and hold the button down, then yes it is djnarush's photo since he got to choose which one he wanted.

forgive me if some of it doesnt make sense I just woke up

Arch · 09-11-2006, 10:56 AM

Instruct the 'friend' to not work without a contract if they press the issue.

Kevin · 09-11-2006, 01:38 PM

who gives a shit