Free photos of your custom car.

[GravenImages]

Originally Posted by midnight

I repeat, my hero...

You might want to chose as a hero someone who can properly parse the English language. This clown's accusations that I'm contradicting myself are completely ridiculous. For someone who claims to know so much about the business of photography, he should understand that there is a distinction between advertising (aka "commercial") and editorial photography.

Photography used on a magazine or book cover, inside of an article, or for other illustrative purposes is editorial photography. It is not meant to sell a product, which is why it is not called advertising photography.

If he's going to go to such great lengths to use his extensive photographic knowledge to prove how someone he's never met is a liar, a scammer, and a thief, he should at least apply said presumed knowledge and understand what I meant when I said that my photos are not intended to be sold as advertising. That's something that a layman might misunderstand, but the Expert Photographer and Champion and Defender of the Chicago Velocity Board should get it right.

Perhaps, Mr Hot Under the Collar, rather than continuing your tirade you should take a deep breath and step away. I have been perfectly upfront here. I have not misrepresented my intentions. The only valid criticism you have is that you seem not to like my work. That's fine. It's no reason to accuse me of trying to rip people off -- if people like what I sell, they pay for it. If they don't, they don't. Every other volley you have lobbed at me ranges from misinformed to offbase to completely preposterous.

Given that a board admin and several moderators have expressed an interest in the offer I have made, I would presume that they find your arguments invalid, and do not think I am trying to scam anyone. Unless you mean to state that those responsible here would allow a lying, cheating scam artist to continue to post, and would contact him to work with him?

You don't like my work. Fine. I don't like yours. You don't like my attitude. Fine. I don't like yours. But don't come pissing in a thread you've nothing to do with and levelling the kind of accusations you're levelling without a leg to stand on.

Unless you actually have something meaningful to say, you're in my mental killfile from here on out.

For those who've contacted me already, thanks. If I haven't responded to you yet, I will shortly. I apologize for letting this get derailed by one persistant troll, but I refuse to stand idly by and let my character get slandered by an internet loudmouth.

Nevertheless, I've said my piece. I'm done. If you want to continue to champion this guy as your hero I feel almost as bad for you as I don't for him.

That being said, I'd gladly put my work up against anyones if it came to a poll. Win or lose, I have confidence in what I do. That's about the only dispute I'm interested in continuing to maintain here.

[Star_Fire]

so, whose pics of cars are better - yours, or these:

[GenXisT]

Originally Posted by Jackson

Nakia you want in on this?

Fuck no... man, i take pictures because it makes ME happy... and I hope that I can show someone something cool or they may enjoy it as well... if I can give people a few tips here and there, then I will. All goes to help us all be better at photography. Above that, I have not interest in this...

[GravenImages]

Originally Posted by Star_Fire

so, whose pics of cars are better - yours, or these:

That first one appears to be very heavily manipulated. But if you're into that, or if it's all done in-camera, I'll freely admit it's better than what I can do.

However, the second one looks remarkably similar to this one to me:

I just pulled this one from my slush pile, so it's not been cropped or post-processed at all. Were I to work on it a bit, I could probably make it look even more similar.

(I'd also be curious to know if that image was taken at a public event under existing-light conditions. Somehow, I doubt it.)

[Star_Fire]

both pics were taken at the Auto Show at about 2pm last thursday

only after effects were level adjustment and a light (+2 or +3) contrast adjustment

they were only cropped to fit my 1440x900 desktops

[GravenImages]

Originally Posted by Star_Fire

both pics were taken at the Auto Show at about 2pm last thursday

Well, good-on-ya, sir, I salute you.

If anyone's going to convince me to go back to my days as a happy amateur, it's folks like you, not those who accuse me of trying to scam a board full of people.

[Star_Fire]

I never said the word scam. If you are going to market yourself for sale, you had better have a product (or service in this case) that is far above par what others currently offer. I'm not saying that someone should not contact you for your services. All I bring forth is that, from samples indicated within your personal portfolio, the desire is not there. If you have better work, then by all means, that is what should be in your portfolio.

[James]

Thanks DJ for uncovering the truth about this guy.

[GravenImages]

Originally Posted by Star_Fire

I never said the word scam.

I didn't say you did. What little you've said here has been polite, and I'll openly admire your work. I'm not at all averse to being told you just don't find my stuff that good.

However, the first respondent in this thread has flat-out accused me of trying to scam the entire board. I said I was trying to improve my stock library. That, alone, implies that I'm not an expert in the field. I never did claim to be. I showed people what I could do, and told them I'd share some photos with them if they let me shoot their cars. I see no high treason in that.

From there on out, it somehow degraded into whether or not I am the world's best, or worst, or most medicore, or most overpriced, or funniest dressed photographer.

Regardless, I've spent enough time defending myself and my abilities here. Mr "look out, he's trying to rip you off" and his friends win. I'll go away, since that's so clearly what most of the posters here want, and I've got better investments for my time than getting involved in this silly argument.

To those with whom I've already discussed taking some photos: I'm sorry. You can thank your companions here for messing it up.

According to them, though, you're not missing much anyway.

[djnarush]

Originally Posted by Star_Fire

so, whose pics of cars are better - yours, or these:

fuck dude.. that one is niiiiiiiiiiiiice. my flash didnt fit in my camera bag so i didnt bring it to the show...
last time i will ever do something that stupid in my life again :P
i only did ok with the pontiac cars.. i really really enjoyed that.. light wall they had, so i spent a little time there with pontiac

[Star_Fire]

amazingly enough - that was not taken with a flash. My dad and I stayed at the LF-A for at least 15 minutes because angles like this presented themselves. The paint and the lights surrounding it made shots like this come up. I adjusted the levels a bit to exaggerate the highlights, but they were there to begin with - another reason why this is my current wallpaper.

by the way - thanks

[djnarush]

well, as i said, i didnt have much luck at the show. i was there for work so i really didnt get to really enjoy myself. check out MY lexis photo
fish eye lens bitches :P

[rummy]

All of a sudden, everybody's a fucking professional photographer.

[James]

Any of you guys do weddings?

[Jackson]

someone here does portraits i know that

[LmFDeeDee]

Originally Posted by rummy

All of a sudden, everybody's a fucking professional photographer.

We both should start a studio, since we both got a camera !

[GenXisT]

Joe, you should've "stopped down" the one with the red car with the yellow one in the back. more depth would've made that one look alot better.

I really like the first one. It "pops!"

[Headsick]

Originally Posted by James

Any of you guys do weddings?

I've done 2.

[CrazuEM1]

Even though that guy is gone for good supposedly, I just wanted to be the one to say that this photo...



is waaaaaay waaay better than this one.....



... without a doubt.

[Star_Fire]

Originally Posted by CrazuEM1

Even though that guy is gone for good supposedly, I just wanted to be the one to say that this photo...



is waaaaaay waaay better than this one.....



... without a doubt.

wow...thanks - and that's the old version. made some changes to it.